Green Lantern: The Animated Series "Dark Matter" Series Finale Talkback (Spoilers)

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Pretty sweet - got to see the Book of Oa, Ch'p saved Guy, Salakk tells Hal "No" means "No," The Hand, and the Blue power ring following Razer.

A few gripes were not getting to see Salakk fight. He was just there coordinating. I guess he was reworked in modern comics, I recall he was an great fighter. Another is no Sinestro cameo. They built that model for one episode. Heck, even Ke'Haan appeared into two more episodes than him! Also when I saw the huge gun construct, John Stewart came to mind. Wish he got to take the shot but organically, it makes sense it was Kilowog doing it.

Razer's vow at the end got me thinking about Aya's last lines. Sure by family, she was likely referring to Hal and Kilowog. Just theorizing but what if Aya left a 'daughter' behind? I wouldn't think such a thing if she hadn't declared she was going to remake the universe so that it was populated with self-replicating artificial beings.

I liked the battle scenes at the start; they were much better than last week's.
Ha ha, yeah, I agree and I was wondering if you or me would say that first today.
 

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I was hoping for a bit more Blue Lanterns and Ganthet before the end of the season (show). Seems that "Blue Hope" was going to be their last appearance anyways...

Too many good moments in the episode, but near the ending is where it really sticks out for me: Aya tending to Razer, Aya's sacrifice, the rest of the Interceptor crew right before Razer leaves, Kilowog giving Razer a hug, and the blue ring following Razer
 

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Not exactly... how the big bang was depicted here and in the DCAU is more or less how its depicted in the comics

Fair enough—but I wouldn’t say our observations are mutually exclusive. Visually, the two Bruce Timm-produced shows have far more in common than the DC source material, by virtue of the fact that they use his artistic style.
 

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This is going to sound stupid and cheesy, but here goes. Alright, I'm the type of person who watches something, see a sad scene, lamely declare, "Wow. This scene is sad," then shrug it off and go about my merry way. I never thought Aya and Razer's love would impact me until I saw this episode. I was glued to the screen the entire time because I could not look away until I was certain these two crazy kids would finally have their happy ending (or end in another manner that I'd be happy with). Their interaction throughout "Dark Matter" got me more invested than I thought possible that I had butterflies in my stomach. Yeah, I almost wept like a baby. I didn't, but that fact that I was even remotely close (and at one point I think I really was fighting back tears) is a testimony to how well-written these characters; I've become emotionally invested in these guys. What do you want from me, I'm only human.

It's not without its flaws. The revelation that Aya didn't destroy all life is a cop out, pure and simple. I think it really undermines the intensity and capability of Dark Aya. There's a bit of handwave that kinda sorta justifies it, what with her not being purely artificial (which neatly supports my analysis for "Love Is a Battlefield" when I said Aya isn't as purely statics as she claims to be) and it neatly does support her universe reboot (where she didn't so much want to destroy life as much as fix it to fit within her own ideals). but it lacks the consequences I think she needed. She also flip-flops a little too fast after she accidentally hurts Razer, but otherwise, the scene is golden. Kudos to Grey Delisle; over the course of twenty-six episodes, she's managed to transform a cold, nearly lifeless machine into a thinking, feeling robot. She's utterly devastated after what she did to Razer and oh my goodness he was in tears when he was about to kill her and there goes all my feelings. And just when they reunite, Aya ends up sacrificing her life again and my heart just broke in two. Thanks a lot, fictional cartoon show, you made me care a lot more than I think is healthy.

I'm very glad the ending did leave with the implication that Aya is alive. I would have just been fine with Razer searching the entire universe for his love without the shot of the blue ring. I previously said in my review of "Blue Hope" that Razer shouldn't get a new ring, but instead channel his rage into something positive. However, with the quest he's now undertaking, I think the blue ring is very appropriate (also, I think "Blue Hope" is now foreshadowing of Razer's potential future role.)

Oh, and those other two guys did good, let's moe on. Nah, I kid - Hal and Kilowog had plenty of awesome moments. I love that Hal pretty much just stuck with Aya all the way to the end, talking even during the beginning of the freaking universe. However, the best moment that actually comes from him is shortly before Razer almost stabs Aya: when he tells her he's regretful. Man, that is a powerful scene. It's so nice to see Kilowog and Razer has gotten along over the course of the show, but the hug at the end? Made me giddy. They are a family. :D Really, this is all just lengthy gushing to what amounts to, "Dark Matter = TOO MANY EMOTIONS." I think there was a bit more talking than what I personally would have wanted during Razer's near death; I'd rather brief moments of silenced gesture and subtle words to do the trick. In fact, I think a few scenes would have benefit from less talking to let their expressions and music to do it for them (because even I admit some of them come off a tad bit cheesy as a result), but there is one scene that did manage to get its naunces across perfectly: when Aya is spreading a virus to all the Manhunters, the musical score is dramatic, but somber. There's little to no talking during this portion and I think it's a powerful, inevitable scene. I'm assuming this tune isn't in the Green Lantern soundtrack. If it isn't, can DC make a second one just so I can listen to this score again? It's beautiful!

The battle scene at the beginning is also topnotch and a vast improvement from last episode's. I love seeing each of the Green Lantern's get their minor victories.

I have too many feelings. It's flawed, but not by much. It's a shame this show had to be cancelled. I wanted to see more. As it is though, it hits all the right notes and gives it that bittersweet touch that I love in my endings, yet also provides a sense of hope that eventually somewhere down the line, there is a happy ending. We don't know how, but it's there. It's ambiguous and though I wish there would be a Season Two, this is the kind of ending I really love, so I'm very satisfied with it. Green Lantern was a very fun show - a very fine show. Great action, lovely visuals, and fantastically written characters. Here's hoping for more series like these in the future.
 
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With the ability to draw, writing and editing equipment at my hand, I was able to theorize how I shall execute the series.
*Hal and Kilowog coming to Razer's aid after discovering that he's been captured by Scar and her new accomplice Black Hand. After the episode, Razer claims to have heard Aya's voice and places the Blue Lantern ring on his hand, becoming a blue lantern and in space attracting the attention of Saint Walker, whom would rush to the group in the season's second episode and join the group.
*As Hal departs to return to Earth, he meets John Stewart and is more impressed by him than he was of Guy Gardner, whom has equal distaste for Guy.
*Aya returns and now she and Razer openly express their love for each other. However, their love frequently blinds them in battles and the Manhunters return because of Aya's return. As the five are soon to be killed aboard the Interceptor, Sinestro feeds on their fear and easily traps the entirety of the Manhunters in a barrier.
*Sinestro joins the group for around 3-4 episodes, during which he clashes with Hal over his decision to formulate a group with two Blue Lanterns and not a full team of Greens. On a planet, Sinestro becomes stranded with his Green Lantern ring and meets Arkillo. After Arkillo saves his life, Sinestro claims that he will come back for him.
*An episode focusing on Kilowog reconnecting with Galia takes place, with him finally winning her back.
*Scar begins to train Black Hand. Her training is intercepted by the Guardians of the Galaxy, whom decide to send Hal and the others to stop her. As Guy joins the group, the six fail to defeat her and have to escort Hal to safety after he is critically wounded by a blast meant for Kilowog.
*Next episode, Scar triggers a four part "Blackest Night" event.
This is what I have so far, any thoughts?
 

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Giancarlo Volpe tweeted last week that Appa's opening speech can be interpreted as a secret message from the producers to the fans. I definitely saw that; just replace "Lanterns" with "Fanterns" and "Aya" with "Cartoon Network" and we're set. :p

Seeing the Book of Oa for the first (and last) time was pretty cool. Hal obviously felt partially responsible for the Aya monstrosity, stating that if he didn't play "Joyride" with the Interceptor, none of this would have happened. That was a great scene, and Tomar-Re telling him it wasn't his fault was a nice scene. Seeing Tomar and hearing Jeff Bennett as him again was nice, too bad he didn't really do much in the episode beyond that.

The actual battle between the GLs and Aya was pretty cool. A lot of Lanterns got their moments to shine: Salaak coordinating attacks from behind the scenes, Ch'p being Ch'p, Larvox busting out six sword constructs, Kilowog being Kilowog, and Guy boosting the moral of his troops by insulting them. The combination construct of the giant gun used to fire Razer (who encased himself in a bullet-shaped shell) was pretty awesome.

Seeing the Hand of Creation again (after JLU) was pretty awesome, and we finally got to see more of it! The visual effect of the unclenching of the fist leading to the Big Bang that created our universe was pretty nice.

The revelation that Aya only destroyed the stars of uninhabited planets showed that a part of her, the living, emotion-driven part of her, was still a part of Aya's conscious and was still controlling her actions. This showed that warm, emotion-bearing life is indeed superior to cold, soulless machines like the Manhunters. Ultimately, the living side does triumph and take over during her Heel Realization when she mortally wounds "[her] love", Razer. There was a scene where Aya protects Hal and Kilowog with the Anti-Monitor's bubbles before that changed to her trademark green energy shield formed from the backs of her hands, and that was a great piece of symbolism showing her return to the side of the heroes.

In the last episode, we saw a bunch of Manhunters speaking in Aya's voice, and it's revealed that it's because Aya has uploaded part of her into some of her former children. Aya's heroic sacrifice was both sad and well done; it was the only way to prevent another "Cold Fury" from happening from within another Aya-Manhunter, like how Brainiac kept appearing again in the DCAU.

Razer still believes that Aya still exists; her body and consciousness was merely scattered to who knows where and Razer plans to go there. That scene on Oa with the three was great, with Razer referring to Kilowog as "friend"...and he gets a bone-crushing hug in return. I hope he doesn't run into a certain Earth-based hero; that encounter would be, there I say, outrageous?

Razer's hope in Aya's survival seems to be paying off, as the episode ends with a Blue Lantern ring finding him. I wonder if Ganthet or Saint Walker was watching from afar, and between him mastering Saint Walker's meditation techniques and believing in Aya's survival, the rings must've decided that he was ready for the Blue. If only this series got another season; I would've loved to see more of Razer's search and transition from Red to Blue. I also would've loved to see John Stewart on Earth; I'm assuming Hal would be checking Earth out at least once to see the new guy. But I think the ultimate crime of the series' cancellation is that we didn't get to see Sinestro get the yellow ring and have Ron Perlman go all out as the sinister founder of the Sinestro Corps!

But, alas. It's been a fun 26 episodes. Giancarlo Volpe's no doubt working on a new project, and Bruce Timm probably isn't going anywhere, and I eagerly anticipate what these two brilliant minds are up to next!
 

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Whoever storyboarded Aya’s attempt to alter the Big Bang was clearly referencing Batman, Green Lantern John Stewart and Chronos witnessing the beginning of time in Justice League Unlimited’s “The Once and Future Thing, Part Two: Time Warped.”

Actually, the hand was first shown in the Silver Age Green Lantern comic book series (issue #40). I have the issue (also the entire series...collected it when I was a teen):

Beginning of time - DCAU Wiki: your fan made guide to the DC Animated Universe

Great ending. Timm, Volpe and Co. really know how to make you feel for and with their characters which is what sets their shows apart from so many of the rest. Great soundtrack, too...something most live shows today so sorely lack.

What a shame that the more mature nature of these shows is often what gets them nixed (since they don't get the ratings that they need for the pre-teen set to satisfy the advertisers and the bean counters) :( .

Enjoyed the show while it lasted though...

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Personally I could not have asked for a better ending. This one was so fulfilling and intense that I loved every second of it.

I really didn't enjoy Young justices rushed ending, but GLTAS felt like the story was just capped off and many loose ends have been tied up. A perfect ending to one of my favorite series.
 

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That really was a moving finale, and the speech at the beginning, all the Lanterns assembled, and a really impressive space fight scene (sorta impractical for Kilowog, Larvox, and others to go for a direct weapon attack rather than something with more range, but it still looked cool) really helped to lead up to the more emotional character moment between Hal and Aya (and then Razer). Loved seeing Hal bring a plan together (one that not even Guy would approve of), but it was really Razer's injuries from Aya and her change that got me. Wow. And I'll echo everyone else's statement that ending it on a blue ring going after Razer was a perfect moment.

I guess I'm okay with Aya wiping out sectors of space with no life, but I'd rather they just didn't do it since before then, Aya had already decided she was going to find an easier way to fix the whole universe. Interesting bit of into about Tomar Re, would've liked to know his deal more.

You would have thought the real stars of Green Lantern TAS would be a living robot and a Red Lantern? Good stuff. This was ten times better than the live action movie.

A blessing and a curse. Yeah, it was a pleasant surprise to get Aya and Razer on this show, but I would've liked to see more Hal, more him dealing with personal issues and character flaws. We got bits of that, in the Larfleeze episode, his dealings with Carol, and even feeling responsible for causing Aya-Monitor, but I don't think any of that was at the heart of this show like Razer's redemption and Aya's new experiences with curiosity and emotion were.

But I DO agree that her having some amount of organic life was something of a cop out. I mean the idea of whether or not machines can be truly alive like living beings is one of those big questions in science fiction; it feels like a cop out because in a way it feels like they threw that question out the window. And Heck it does almost feel a bit shallow that Razor seem to reject her for being a machine but became more open minded after finding out she was alive; granted technically he was always conflicted, but its like the news she was alive eased a burden from his shoulders. Honestly, i really think they should have left that detail out... just let her be a machine and let razor fall in love with a machine.

If that was the case, though, it would seem like a cop out for Aya to have emotions in the first place, and it wouldn't feel like she was really in love with Razer, emotional over everything that had happened, and confused at what to do.

A few gripes were not getting to see Salakk fight. He was just there coordinating. I guess he was reworked in modern comics, I recall he was an great fighter. Another is no Sinestro cameo. They built that model for one episode. Heck, even Ke'Haan appeared into two more episodes than him! Also when I saw the huge gun construct, John Stewart came to mind. Wish he got to take the shot but organically, it makes sense it was Kilowog doing it.

Razer's vow at the end got me thinking about Aya's last lines. Sure by family, she was likely referring to Hal and Kilowog. Just theorizing but what if Aya left a 'daughter' behind? I wouldn't think such a thing if she hadn't declared she was going to remake the universe so that it was populated with self-replicating artificial beings.

Not seeing John or Alan for that matter is pretty disappointing. I had a thought about Razer finding an Aya relative too, but I was thinking it would be more like a sister than a daughter.

What a shame that the more mature nature of these shows is often what gets them nixed (since they don't get the ratings that they need for the pre-teen set to satisfy the advertisers and the bean counters) :( .

Or a strong selling toyline.
 

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Signed up just so i can say this about Aya, and how terrible of a character she is.

Aya is a really terrible, and full of mary-sue traits, character. I had hoped that someone would just give her some tough love in the last episode, "Guess what, just because a guy doesn't love you back or he's lying about his feelings doesn't mean you have to straw-man all of existence as suffering. No you're not thinking with cold hard ration, you're ignoring anything that contradicts your universe wide hissy fit that a guy said he didn't like you." Aya is willing to destroy the universe when a guy says he doesn't love her and wants to save it when he suddenly says he does. Good job making the moral decision making process of your robot that of a 5 year old.

You know if Razor had become the villain, as Aya did, i doubt he would have been defeated by the power of love...

It's like a lot of magical girl, psychic powers, gun girl, super power girl anime. The only reason ANYONE cares is because she has the world destroying button under her thumb every time she's unhappy. Good to know that women are so affected by their emotions that they willingly destroy all around them and get people hurt because they are having relationship problems.

Aya you're nothing but a japanese school girl with a gun, and I'm sooooo glad you are dead

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I disagree. Aya is not a Mary-Sue. She got beat in fights more often than she won them. She had just as many flaws as the other characters too.

As for the her wanting to end the universe after being told that she was not loved, you need to keep in mind that emotions were new to her. Her mind was erased so every emotion, even hurt is going to be new. She has no way to cope with it.

Razor had a similar break down many times through out the series. He was suicidal after episode 2 when he thinks he destroyed a world. He just channels all of his negative emotions through rage. That is not healthy either, always having a short fuse. He is powered by anger and loss. The main difference is that he had years of life experience and someone to talk no, mainly the Blue Lanterns, Hal, and Killowog. Hal briefly tried to console Aya but they were interrupted a few seconds later. Her way of dealing with it was to silence all emotions. Razor's was anger.
 

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I wasn't thrilled with the spurned-lover-turned-evil plot of the series, so this automatically had the odds stacked against it for me, but overall I thought they did a decent job. Razer and Aya's love was never that well established, so at this part of the ballgame, there's only so much you can salvage.

The fact that Aya didn't destroy any star systems with life on it helps. I made a reference to the Phoenix Saga in a prior talkback thread, so I'm glad they were able to avoid that conundrum without having to "cheat" like going back in time.

It wasn't the greatest DC series, but it was a decent 30-minute investment of my time, so for that I'm sad it's gone.
 

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I enjoyed this episode, and think it's one of the better episodes during the manhunter arc. It felt a little bigger, the action scenes seemed more intense and well directed or storyboarded, and we finally got some kind of resolution to this Aya story.

I really liked Razor's ending. Him going off to find Aya was a pretty great way to end that story, and the blue ring got you thinking of all sorts of possibilities, had the show went on.

I also liked Aya's end. It was sad, if not a bit repetitive with her last 'death', but the whole thing with almost killing Razor felt right for the story.

Guy was also really good in this episode, and had some great lines and scenes.

I was disappointed Sinestro wasn't included in the GL front lines. It seemed like a missed opportunity to have him and throw that into the mix. Oh well.

Did anyone think the time portal looked like a vagina? It seemed metaphorical, almost slightly intentional, like the 'birth' of the universe. Did anyone notice that?

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I wasn't thrilled with the spurned-lover-turned-evil plot of the series, so this automatically had the odds stacked against it for me, but overall I thought they did a decent job. Razer and Aya's love was never that well established, so at this part of the ballgame, there's only so much you can salvage.

I agree that Razor and Aya's love not being that seriously delved into was a problem for the story, but in a really basic simple way, it worked. If I have one main complaint, and it's one I kinda have for most of the series, particularly the second half, and that's a general simplicity in the story telling. The end of this story arc was good and fine, but maybe the whole story itself didn't seem as satisfying as it could have been, and not just because the show wont continue. It was a number of things, like not establishing Aya and Razor's love more in the story, for instance. That's not to say it wasn't a good series, because it was, and I enjoyed it and will miss it, and wish we could get a season 3, especially because I think the show would just keep getting better.

BTW, has there been an official word that there wont be more episodes?
 
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BTW, has there been an official word that there wont be more episodes?
Yes, it's definitely official. CN has not renewed GL:TAS nor Young Justice. They're not cancelled per say more in stasis pods in a WBA vault for all time.
 

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Did anyone think the time portal looked like a vagina? It seemed metaphorical, almost slightly intentional, like the 'birth' of the universe. Did anyone notice that?

I don't know if it was intentional or if you're reading maybe a little too much into it but now I won't be able to see that episode the same way again :D. Ask Giancarlo on Twitter he's usually pretty game about anything :)
 

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I almost thought that, but I cleansed it from my mind immediately. :p The first thing that jumped into my mind was the rift between our universe and the Steam universe in "Steam Lantern".
 

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I thought that this was a great episode. Aya only destroying sectors that didn't have life did feel like a cop-out. It made sense in a way due to how she wouldn't kill her friends, despite having multiple chances to do so, and she wanted to eliminate all life in one swoop, but it still felt like a cheap way of reducing the consequences of her actions. Although, at least they didn't try to undo the damage she did with time travel like I originally thought they would, which would have been cheaper. There were so many great moments from Hal mentioning regret right before Razor, with tears in his eyes, was about to try to kill Aya to pretty much every moment with Aya and Razor. While Aya feeling regret for her actions once she hurt Razor was kind of sudden, it also made sense due to how she couldn't completely eliminate her emotions as she originally thought.

Razor and Aya's relationship has been quite engaging and seeing them get back together moments before she sacrificed herself was so sad. Razor telling her that he wouldn't let her destroy herself and then holding onto herself as she died were heartbreaking and nearly tearjerker moments for me. Razor's belief that Aya is still alive makes sense. After the last time she was seemingly dead, she had come back and she could have easily found a way to survive the virus she sent out so that she could come back to Razor again. I loved seeing how Razor's relationships with Hal and Kilawog have changed over the course of the series. He was clearly grateful to Hal when saying goodbye and Kilawog giving him a hug was so sweet. Ending with the hope of Aya being out there and Razor becoming a Blue Lantern was great. It was a good way to end his arc and show that he's finally been able to let go of years of rage.

Overall, I thought that this was a satisfying finale. I really wish that there was a second season for this show. It did take a few episodes to really get going, but once it did, it was engaging with good characters, great actions and an interesting storyline in both halves of the season. There is so much room for another season at least and given how much I've enjoyed this season, I would have loved to see that. It is unfortunate that it isn't going to happen, but on the bright side, the series at least goes out on a good note. It tied up the loose ends and left it opened enough for a continuation, but it also ends on a feeling of hope to make ending the story and characters here satisfying.
 

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On one hand, I liked the ending. On the other... it still seems like Aya and Razer are changing their opinions too rapidly. What caused Razer to dump her in the first place? Was finding out that she was born from the power of an organic life the only thing that convinced him that loving her was right? And hasn't Aya put Razer's life in jeopardy several times now? Why was it only now that she felt bad about potentially killing him? I also found her wiping out empty sectors to be a bit contrived. They hand waved the consequences of her actions a bit too much.

I think you need to understand the characterisation of Razer first of all. I think that Razer’s character portrayal is a very complicated one. He was created to be someone who bottles up his feelings, is easily distracted, withdraws within himself when he fears he would fail to protect those he cares the most. Each time he loves someone he loses them – he lost his love twice. Twice – that would be enough to drive any mortal man to the brink of despair. It’s as though the universe has conspired not to make this one character happy. Hence his cold sarcasm or deadpan humor which comes across now and again. He was created since the beginning to have this “thing” for a female artificial intelligence with emotions, only to see her disintegrate in his arms a few episodes later. Retreat was his only option. If he can make Aya hate him, she won’t come to his rescue should he be in danger again – hence the rebuttal. He was making sure she remains safe. But then it backfires. He unwittingly released a monster instead. I believe that all along Razer has loved Aya – machine or not, irrespective of whether she looked like his deceased love Ilana because he was already attracted to her way before it was pointed out to him by Queen Agapo. And in the episode "In Love and War," he was transported to his one true love, and that was not his deceased wife but to Aya.

Finding out that Aya is an actual living organic being merely brought him out of his denial of his feelings. He has been in denial as well all this time. He could not see himself as deserving of love or even worthy of being in love - he did not have hope at that time. The only reason that he appeared excited at the idea that Aya is in fact sentient was that it gave him hope - hope that he can turn her around, hope that he can have her back again.

And to answer your question that Aya put Razer's life in jeopardy - she had the all that power of the Anti-Monitor and could have seriously disintegrated the whole crew in "Cold Fury." But she didn't - all she did was push them away. She even inadvertently saved Razer from the missile full of Aurem in "Scarred." She could have even destroyed the planet Zamaron in "Love is a Battlefield," but again she didn't. Yes, she gave Razer that massive backhand in "Scarred," but why not kill him straight away? She could not even bring herself to do that. She couldn't because she cared - deep down, she may have shut her emotions but they were not switched off completely so although it does appear that "they handwaved the consequences of her actions," I believe that her character arc from the start has always been of goodness and kindness. And that her actions after fusing with the Anti-Monitor is because she could not handle the pain of rejection, because no one told her anything about emotions, that with love comes the risk of disappointments, let-downs, rejections. She was only evolving, changing, learning. No one told her how necessary it is to be broken so that she can rebuild herself again, become stronger and move on.


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Another is no Sinestro cameo. They built that model for one episode.

I imagine they thought they were building a model that would be used more in the next season :p

Just theorizing but what if Aya left a 'daughter' behind? I wouldn't think such a thing if she hadn't declared she was going to remake the universe so that it was populated with self-replicating artificial beings.
I figured a way they could get around her dying was that she was more than a program and Ion energy can't simply be deleted. Her program could have imprinted on the Ion energy fragment and still exist outside the confines of her construct/body

They mentioned as a living being she can't fully delete her emotions, yet she can delete her full self?

And the way she turned into white energy made me wonder if she could have come back as a White Lantern. I'm sure they had a lot ideas. I wonder what they would have used?

Fair enough—but I wouldn’t say our observations are mutually exclusive. Visually, the two Bruce Timm-produced shows have far more in common than the DC source material, by virtue of the fact that they use his artistic style.
What you said was that you thought these producers were referencing an episode of JLU ,when in fact it's Bruce Timm revisiting a comic he used in a past project with a similar outcome (to you).

That's not the same as saying Bruce Timm referenced Bruce Timm referencing the comics

Random thoughts- as i recall they said the plan was to use Steam Lantern again. I wonder how? In the comics, trying to witness the creation of the universe is what created the multiple Earths. I wonder if the next season would have featured Alan Scott?
 

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Another family emergency update (long story short):

After charging in and out of the hospital a few more times, my mother had to do a colonoscopy earlier this month and they detected colon cancer. So yesterday, she underwent colon surgery and is now 100% cancer-free.

Now she's in the ICU due to very low blood pressure, still in the process of recovery.
"Crabgrass" is coming back and also in newspapers from Monday, it's a great comic strip if you've not checked it out, you should. “Crabgrass” Will Officially Launch in Newspapers on Monday | GoComics.com
Why does society keep devolving for the last century or so, why is America 50 years behind where it should’ve been? And anybody who tries to makes things better will be swept under the rug or get screwed over by cancer or disease.

I hate to get political here especially but for what happened today I can’t help
Just sending out hearts and hugs to anyone who needs them on this awful day. You're not alone.
Hi, new profile picture I guess

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